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    Mitico Kennedy

    Posto il bellissimo discorso tenuto da Kennedy a Berlino, in piena guerra fredda.
    Secondo me era davvero un grande.
    The Proudest Boast

    President John F. Kennedy, June 25, 1963
    City Hall, West Berlin, Federal Republic of Germany

    I am proud to come to this city as the guest of your distinguished Mayor, who has symbolized throughout the world the fighting spirit of West Berlin. And I am proud to visit the Federal Republic with your distinguished Chancellor, who for so many years has committed Germany to democracy and freedom and progress, and to come here in the company of my fellow American, General Clay, who has been in this city during its great moments of crisis and will come again if ever needed.

    Two thousand years ago the proudest boast was "civis Romanus sum." Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner."

    I appreciate my interpreter translating my German!

    There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the Free World and the Communist world. Let them come to Berlin. There are some who say that communism is the wave of the future. Let them come to Berlin. And there are some who say in Europe and elsewhere we can work with the Communists. Let them come to Berlin. And there are even a few who say that it's true that communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress. "Laßt sie nach Berlin kommen." Let them come to Berlin! Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect, but we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in, to prevent them from leaving us. I want to say, on behalf of my countrymen, who live many miles away on the other side of the Atlantic, who are far distant from you, that they take the greatest pride that they have been able to share with you, even from a distance, the story of the last eighteen years. I know of no town, no city, that has been besieged for eighteen years that still lives with the vitality and the force and the hope and the determination of the city of West Berlin.

    While the wall is the most obvious and vivid demonstration of the failures of the Communist system, for all the world to see, we take no satisfaction in it. For it is, as your Mayor has said, an offense not only against history but an offense against humanity, separating families, dividing husbands and wives and brothers and sisters, and dividing a people who wish to be joined together.

    What is true of this city is true of Germany--real, lasting peace in Europe can never be assured as long as one German out of four is denied the elementary right of free men, and that is to make a free choice. In eighteen years of peace and good faith, this generation of Germans has earned the right to be free, including the right to unite their families and their nation in lasting peace, with goodwill to all people. You live in a defended island of freedom, but your life is part of the main. So let me ask you, as I close, to lift your eyes beyond the dangers of today to the hopes of tomorrow, beyond the freedom merely of this city of Berlin, or your country of Germany, to the advance of freedom everywhere, beyond the wall to the day of peace with justice, beyond yourselves and ourselves to all mankind.

    Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free. When all are free, then we can look forward to that day when this city will be joined as one, and this country, and this great Continent of Europe, in a peaceful and hopeful globe. When that day finally comes, as it will, the people of West Berlin can take sober satisfaction in the fact that they were in the front lines for almost two decades.

    All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin, and, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner."

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    Peccato per il Vietnam

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    Peccato anche per l'assassinio

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    Chissą come sarebbe poi stato.

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    Peccato per il Vietnam
    Spoiler:
    spiegati meglio

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    Chissą come sarebbe poi stato.
    non ho capito O.o

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    «Un uomo fa quello che č suo dovere fare, quali che siano le conseguenze personali, quali che siano gli ostacoli, i pericoli o le pressioni. Questa č la base di tutta la moralitą umana.»

    John Fitzgerald Kennedy

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    Spoiler:
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    Fu nella presidenza Kennedy che si cominciņ a sostenere Saigon, poi con Lyndon Johnson furono inviati i primi soldati.

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    Perdona i nemici, ma non dimenticare mai i loro nomi.»John Fitzgerald Kennedy

    «L'umanitą deve mettere fine alla guerra, o la guerra metterą fine all'umanitą.»John Fitzgerald Kennedy

    «Tutte le madri desiderano che i propri figli crescano fino a diventare presidente, senza perņ volerli vedere diventare politici durante questo processo.»John Fitzgerald Kennedy

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    «L'umanitą deve mettere fine alla guerra, o la guerra metterą fine all'umanitą.»John Fitzgerald Kennedy
    e poi arrivņ il vietnam

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    e poi arrivņ il vietnam
    Non č che se gli americani non fossero intervenuti i vietnamiti avrebbero vissuto bene...anzi...

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    Citazione Makaveli
    There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the Free World and the Communist world. Let them come to Berlin. There are some who say that communism is the wave of the future. Let them come to Berlin. And there are some who say in Europe and elsewhere we can work with the Communists. Let them come to Berlin. And there are even a few who say that it's true that communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress. "Laßt sie nach Berlin kommen." Let them come to Berlin! Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect, but we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in, to prevent them from leaving us.
    While the wall is the most obvious and vivid demonstration of the failures of the Communist system, for all the world to see, we take no satisfaction in it. For it is, as your Mayor has said, an offense not only against history but an offense against humanity, separating families, dividing husbands and wives and brothers and sisters, and dividing a people who wish to be joined together.

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    Non č che se gli americani non fossero intervenuti i vietnamiti avrebbero vissuto bene...anzi...
    se gli americani non fossero intervenuti avrebbero salvato la vita a migliaia di giovani dato che il risultato sarebbe stato uguale anche se non ci fosse stata la guerra:vietnam del nord comunista e dopo alcuni anni riunificazione del vietnam sotto un governo socialista e gli americani a casa

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    Rimarco queste frasi:
    e grazie alle palle, uno yankee in piena guerra fredda cosa poteva dire se non questo?

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    se gli americani non fossero intervenuti avrebbero salvato la vita a migliaia di giovani dato che il risultato sarebbe stato uguale anche se non ci fosse stata la guerra:vietnam del nord comunista e dopo alcuni anni riunificazione del vietnam sotto un governo socialista e gli americani a casa
    Si chiamano ideali.
    Gli Americani hanno avuto la colpa di voler evitare a milioni di persone di vivere in un regime comunista.
    Le 2 Coree sono un perfetto esempio della superioritą del modell"americano" rispetto al totale fallimento del comunismo.

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