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    I nuovi pg di mgs 4

    raga riposto questo chi parla bene puo' tradurre
    fonte ign


    May 19, 2005 - Konami's E3 conference on Tuesday was prefaced by mounds of hype and speculation regarding the possible announcement of Metal Gear Solid 4. With the conference now behind us, we've finally got answers to a few key questions. MGS4 will be on PlayStation3, and we now know that Hideo Kojima's role in the production will be every bit as hands-on as before. But in typical Kojima fashion, these answers didn't come without presenting a million other questions that need to be answered.



    What is Raiden's role in the trailer? What's the setting? Which characters will make an appearance in MGS4? Konami's E3 presentation for Metal Gear Solid 4 was brilliant comedy, but it hardly gives a hint of what's to come from the game. Perhaps the best form of evidence produced by Konami is a large piece of poster art that presents eight characters to star in MGS4. Combine the right bit of knowledge with this character art and the following speculation of Metal Gear Solid 4's story unfolds.

    Spoiler Warning: It's impossible to speculate about the future of Metal Gear without revealing details of Metal Gears past. If you'd like to avoid spoilers for Metal Gear Solid, Sons of Liberty or Snake Eater, we highly suggest you stop reading. Right about now.

    To speculate on the future of Metal Gear's plot we've got to first understand the basis of the characters' motives. On the surface, Metal Gear Solid is a story about a very sneaky dude trying to destroy a very giant robot, but that's far from everything that's going in Metal Gear. Spend some time contemplating the series and you'll discover that the main conflict of Metal Gear underlies the bulk of the storytelling. Describing the conflict without going completely nuts is impossible (which is why we're sure Kojima is brilliantly insane), so bear with us for a bit.

    The central conflict that binds together all Metal Gear games is the fight to break out from under the control of a faceless organization that controls governments around the world. This organization is generally named the Patriots (also the La Li Lu Le Lo, or the Philosophers). In the world of Metal Gear, all US government actions are scripted and dictated by the Patriots. Presidents are chosen, not elected, and the Patriots manipulate media to sway public opinion. The Patriots prevent true freedom, and there's a constant struggle to topple the organization.

    The Characters of Metal Gear Solid 4
    By no means do we know for certain which characters will play a role in MGS4, but we do have character art for eight different characters that we expect to be a big part of the game. Most of these are returning characters from what we can tell, which gives us insight to the future story.

    Vamp
    Other Appearances: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
    Are we sure this is him?: Yes

    This is surely Vamp of Metal Gear Solid 2 fame. The tell-tale bullet hole in his head makes this clear beyond most doubt, so we feel safe saying that Vamp is coming back for Metal Gear Solid 4. In Sons of Liberty, we learn that Vamp is a member of a group called Dead Cell that's basically a mock terrorist group used to test the defenses of government facilities. In short, the US government formed Dead Cell to attack the US's own facilities as training for US forces.

    In Sons of Liberty, Dead Cell's leader Colonel Jackson is imprisoned by the government and dies in jail, which is why Dead Cell turns away from the Patriots' rule. In the Big Shell terrorist incident (again, in Sons of Liberty), Dead Cell joins forces with Solidus in an attempt to damage the Patriots.

    Near the end of Metal Gear Solid 2, we assume that Vamp is killed by a sniper shot; he falls into the ocean after being shot, but we never actually see him die. However, his appearance in this new MGS4 poster suggests that, in fact, he didn't die in that incident.

    The situation with Vamp also raises questions about the possible return of Fortune, another member of Dead Cell and wife of the deceased Colonel Jackson. At the end of Sons of Liberty, Fortune learns that Ocelot killed her father, Scott Dolph, in the Tanker incident that makes up the first portion of the game (with Solid Snake). Fortune gets shot by Ocelot and we assume she dies afterwards, but much like Vamp her death isn't obvious. We might just see this killer vixen make a return with Vamp in some sort of effort against the Patriots.

    Meryl Silverburg
    Other Appearances: Metal Gear Solid
    Are we sure this is her?: Yes

    Meryl made her first appearance in Metal Gear Solid on PlayStation where she aided Solid Snake in defeating Liquid Snake's terrorist threat in Alaska. Meryl is the daughter of Colonel Campbell, the familiar face that guides Snake through Metal Gear Solid and Sons of Liberty. She's sent into the terrorist situation of Alaska in order to coerce Colonel Campbell into working with the Patriots (bringing Solid Snake with him) to squelch Liquid Snake's rebellion.

    We don't really know what happens to Meryl after the events of Metal Gear Solid, but we do know that she's still alive. Metal Gear Solid has two possible endings, one of which leaves Meryl dead. The true Metal Gear Solid ending shows Meryl riding away from the Alaskan weapon storage facility with Solid Snake.

    We've really no clue as to why Meryl is returning to the story. It's possible that Meryl joined Solid Snake and Otacon in their non-governmental organization, Philanthropy, which is dedicated to wiping out all Metal Gear projects. Philanthropy operates outside of the jurisdiction of any higher power, beyond even the US government and the Patriots. If she did join Philanthropy, her role in MGS4 could simply be support for Solid Snake as we really don't know her personal motives

    Raiden
    Other Appearances: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
    Are we sure this is him?: Yes


    Raiden was the surprise hero in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, and basically plays the part of a mindless puppet. In Sons of Liberty, Raiden's only motive is completing the mission he's assigned, though he and Snake uncover more truth regarding the Patriots as the mission progresses.

    At the end of Sons of Liberty, Snake and Raiden learn that the Patriots kidnapped the baby of Olga Gurlukovich in order to coerce her into helping Raiden through the mission. Olga dies at the end of the game, but Snake and Raiden agree to save the child. The game ends then, so we don't know what happens afterwards, but it's possible that Metal Gear Solid 4 continues the story of Snake and Raiden hunting down the Patriots, both for Olga's child and presumably for other objectives (such as the utter destruction of GW, the information-controlling super computer created by the Patriots).

    In the full poster image for MGS4, Raiden is seen holding a baby which we presume is his own—at the end of Sons of Liberty, Raiden learns that his girlfriend is pregnant. MGS4 takes place three years after the Big Shell incident of Sons of Liberty, making his baby around two years old, an age that matches the art. The baby in the picture looks too young to be the stolen child of Olga, who would be at least three years old (and probably older still).


    Revolver Ocelot
    Other Appearances: Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
    Are we sure this is him?: Yes

    Revolver Ocelot is a very interesting character in the Metal Gear saga. In essence, Ocelot is a willing tool of the Patriots, and is really the only human manifestation of the secret group. Ocelot is the lovechild of The Boss and The Sorrow (both of which played their part in Snake Eater), and was taken from The Boss at the moment of birth into the care of the Patriots. Ocelot has thus been with the Patriots since birth, and despite many complex lies and deception his motive is very basic: serve the Patriots. At least that's what's apparent through the story already told.

    His presence in Metal Gear Solid 4 should be no surprise. Ocelot will likely serve as the figurehead of whatever Patriot plot Solid Snake and company are out to stop. However, there's a potential twist. One of the strangest aspects in Sons of Liberty is the continued presence of Liquid Snake. In Metal Gear Solid, Ocelot loses his arm and Liquid Snake dies. However, in Sons of Liberty we find that Ocelot used Liquid's arm to replace his own. Slowly throughout Sons of Liberty, Liquid Snake's arm seems to take over Ocelot and Liquid's own motives show through. Liquid's motives are, basically, to overthrow the Patriots, so it'll be very interesting to see how his continued infection of Ocelot plays out in Metal Gear Solid 4.

    Solid Snake
    Other Appearances: Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty + original Metal Gear games
    Are we sure this is him?: Yes

    The Metal Gear Solid 4 teaser trailer shown at Konami's E3 press conference confirms that Solid Snake is the main character of the game. The last we saw Solid Snake was at the end of Sons of Liberty, which is where Snake first really learns of the Patriots. At the end of the game, Snake agrees to find Olga Gurlukovich's son who was kidnapped by the Patriots, and presumably wants to continue his goal of eradicating the Metal Gear project.

    Solid Snake is left with a disk that contains the names of the Patriots' Wisemen, but finds out that the names on the disk are those of men that had died two hundred years prior. We don't know how he continues the pursuit of the Patriots, but we do know that finding the Patriots is his objective.

    In Sons of Liberty, the Patriots create Metal Gear Arsenal, an underwater fortress with a super computer designed to control the flow of information worldwide. In their effort to destroy all things Metal Gear, Snake and Ocelot aim to take down Arsenal and come to make the Patriots their enemy. Combine this aim with their promise to usurp Olga's child and you've already got a pretty compelling conflict to power the story of Metal Gear

    Otacon
    Other Appearances: Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
    Are we sure this is him?: Yes


    After the events of Metal Gear Solid, Ocelot joined with Solid Snake to form the group Philanthropy with the objective of eradicating all Metal Gear projects. Otacon's main motive for fighting against Metal Gear is largely based on his family history. Otacon's grandfather helped to create the first nuclear bomb and, as we learn in Snake Eater, his father helped to draft the plans for the first Metal Gear project.

    In Metal Gear Solid, Otacon is a scientist unknowingly working on the Metal Gear Rex project. Otacon is well aware of his family's dark past and tries to use his knowledge of science for good causes, which is why the revelation of his work and Metal Gear Rex has such an effect on the fragile man. And while the Otacon of Sons of Liberty is decidedly more stable and hardened, he's still intent on undoing any harm he's caused by destroying Metal Gear completely.

    Otacon's isn't much of a field operative, so we definitely don't expect to see him on the front lines of battle in Metal Gear Solid 4. We expect he'll return as a support character, likely over Codec as in Sons of Liberty.

    Big Boss?
    Other Appearances: Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater + original Metal Gear games
    Are we sure this is him?: Absolutely not

    First off, let's get this clear: we don't know who this is. This mysterious character appears to be new, though he strongly resembles a major player of Metal Gears past. Could this be the return of Big Boss, the main character of Snake Eater and genetic father of Solid Snake? The eyepatch he wears is on the same eye as Big Boss's eyepatch, and the apparent old age of the character would match with that of Big Boss, who—if he's alive—would be even older than Ocelot.

    Beyond that guess, we have no idea who this character is. If this is Big Boss then we can assume he's continuing his efforts from before his disappearance. In the original Metal Gear games, Big Boss is responsible for starting Outer Heaven with the intention of forming the most powerful military force in the world. Before his supposed death at the hands of Solid Snake, Big Boss was using Metal Gear to accomplish his goal. We don't know for certain what happens to Big Boss after the events of Snake Eater. The ending of Snake Eater leaves Big Boss eating sour grapes as he learns of the Philosophers' deceptions, and we assume his Outer Heaven was an attempt to start a country free of the Philosophers' rule.

    If he returns for Metal Gear Solid 4 (which honestly makes very little sense), it'll be interesting to see if Solid Snakes sides with him or fights against him. If Big Boss still intends to use Metal Gear to overthrow the Philosophers/Patriots then the conflict of interests between him and Snake (and Otacon) would make for a very interesting plot.

    Fortune?
    Other Appearances: Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
    Are we sure this is her?: Absolutely not

    This is the second mystery character in the Metal Gear Solid 4 poster artwork, and our guess for who she might be is even weaker than for the first. Our only guess is that this is Fortune, the killer female antagonist of Sons of Liberty with the ability to deflect bullets. Visually, the character in this MGS4 art loosely matches some art of Fortune in Sons of Liberty, but doesn't match others. Mainly, the art in this poster lacks the facial features of a black woman (which Fortune is), though some of the Sons of Liberty art looks similarly caucasian.

    The only thing that makes us think this may be Fortune is the return of Vamp. At the end of Sons of Liberty, Fortune is shot and assumed dead. But much like Vamp, we don't actually see Fortune breathe her last. If this is Fortune, her motives would be identical to Vamp's though her emotions are likely even stronger. Through Ocelot, the Patriots killed both Fortune's father and her husband, giving her plenty of reason to want them gone.

    In all likelihood, this is not actually Fortune. We're guessing she is a completely new character, so her motives and goals are a mystery to us.

    Special thanks to Phil Ebert for help with the finer details of Metal Gear's story.
    Ultima modifica di Skyline85; 20-05-2005 alle 11:59:16


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    mmm nn credo che l'ultima sia fortune...nn ci assomiglia molto... è + simile a naomi...
    La tua firma supera almeno un limite massimo in quanto a dimensioni ed il limite di peso. Ti ricordiamo quindi che la larghezza massima consentita è di 500 pixel, l'altezza di 158 ed il peso di 40960 bytes. Ti inviamo inoltre a leggere il regolamento per ripassare le disposizioni in merito.

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    I paragoni con i vecchi personaggi sono abbastanza forzati, chissà chi sono veramente, e cos'ha in mente Kojima...




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    concordo su naomi ma per big bos di sicuro e' lui o comuque una persona identica


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    Si, infatti, xkè tutti gli altri sn morti (Raven, Psycho e Gray). Anche se mi chiedo come sia possibile vedere BB che ai tempi di Solid dovrebbe essere già decomposto da un bel pezzo...



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    concordo su naomi ma per big bos di sicuro e' lui o comuque una persona identica
    La tua firma supera almeno un limite massimo in quanto a dimensioni ed il limite di peso. Ti ricordiamo quindi che la larghezza massima consentita è di 500 pixel, l'altezza di 158 ed il peso di 40960 bytes. Ti inviamo inoltre a leggere il regolamento per ripassare le disposizioni in merito.

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    guardando bee si vede che bb ha una sorta di bio tuta ...quindi non e' sto clonato perche se ti clonano non ti clonano senza occhio quindi potrebbe essere che lu non e' mai morto ed e' per questo che gli americani non volevano dare il corpo di big bos a liquid nel primo perche' lui non e' morto....


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    Come fa ad essere Big Boss che è stato ucciso per mano di Snake a zanzibar?

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    potrebbe essere...è vero nn ci pensavo...o magari tramite vari esperimenti hanno rimesso in vita il suo corpo...ma forse è + attendibile la tua versione
    La tua firma supera almeno un limite massimo in quanto a dimensioni ed il limite di peso. Ti ricordiamo quindi che la larghezza massima consentita è di 500 pixel, l'altezza di 158 ed il peso di 40960 bytes. Ti inviamo inoltre a leggere il regolamento per ripassare le disposizioni in merito.

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    Danny
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    belli

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    guardando bee si vede che bb ha una sorta di bio tuta ...quindi non e' sto clonato perche se ti clonano non ti clonano senza occhio quindi potrebbe essere che lu non e' mai morto ed e' per questo che gli americani non volevano dare il corpo di big bos a liquid nel primo perche' lui non e' morto....
    Ti possono benissimo clonare senza occhio, cosa gliene frega ai geni? Però mi piace la teoria sul corpo di Big Boss...cmq in teoria è stato bruciato vivo da Solid Snake (nell'1 dicono a conferma che il suo corpo era pieno di ustioni...però dopotutto non siamo sicuro al 100% che sia morto...chi lo sa).




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    inafattti con kojima non si e' mai sicuri..tipo:no place to hideo.....ma nno ho capito perche' vamp cosa c entra


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    potrebbe essere...è vero nn ci pensavo...o magari tramite vari esperimenti hanno rimesso in vita il suo corpo...ma forse è + attendibile la tua versione

    infatti...in fondo hanno già fatto una cosa simile con gray fox...


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    Ti possono benissimo clonare senza occhio, cosa gliene frega ai geni? Però mi piace la teoria sul corpo di Big Boss...cmq in teoria è stato bruciato vivo da Solid Snake (nell'1 dicono a conferma che il suo corpo era pieno di ustioni...però dopotutto non siamo sicuro al 100% che sia morto...chi lo sa).
    in effetti nn lo dice,cmq potrebbe anke essere solidus snake chi ci dice che è morto dopo il duello con snake......cmq nessuno puo tradurre??

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    Come fa ad essere Big Boss che è stato ucciso per mano di Snake a zanzibar?
    anche gray fox era stato ucciso a zanzibar vedi tu........con kojima non si sa' mai


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    mi sembra evidente che sono uguali

    quello sulla sx e' mgs 4 quello sulla dx e' mgs per msx[bigboss]



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